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Technical specifications 2011-2012
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Grundrisse 2012
simple | clever | smart
CaraBus
CaraOne 480 QDK 420 QD
400 LK
480 EU
Teilintegriert
600 MG
2
601 MQ
440 FD
650 MG H mit H ubbett
500 XD
700 MG
650 MEG
700 MX
740 UDF
541 MQ
Alkoven
600 MG
700 DG
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CaraBus Technical Specifications
CaraBus
541 MQ
601 MQ
X
X
•
•
FIAT-BASIC ENGINE TYPE FIAT 2,0 l Multijet 115 Light ADDITIONAL ENGINE TYPES Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 130 light
Technical Specifications Length (cm)
544
599
205/187
205/187
Height (cm) (external/internal)
258/190
258/190
Mass of the unladen vehicle (kg)*
ca. 2400
2.600
Mass in running order (kg)*
ca. 2650
2.855
3.300
3.300
Width (cm) (external/internal)
Maximum technically permissible laden mass (kg)* Maximum user payload (kg)*
ca. 900
700
Towing capacity (kg) on 100 PS
2.000
2.000
Towing capacity (kg) on 120 PS
2.500
2.500
Wheelbase (cm)
345
404
Tyre size
215 / 70 R 15 C
215 / 70 R 15 C
Rim size
6J x 15
6J x 15
4
4
Permissible number of persons Sleeping berths Bed dimensions, centre (cm) Bed dimensions, rear (cm)
* X •
For explanations please refer to page 10 Standard equipment optonal
3
3
180 x 70
180 x 70
192 x 138/125
194 x 140
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AL Technical Specifications
AL
600 MG
700 DG
FIAT-BASIC ENGINE TYPE FIAT 2,0 l Multijet 115 Light
AL
600 MG
700 DG
FIAT 2,0 l und 2,3 l / 3,0 l Multijet Light X
X
ADDITIONAL ENGINE TYPES
Mass of the unladen vehicle (kg)*
2.600 / 2.650
2.710 / 2.760
Mass in running order (kg)*
2.850 / 2.900
2.960 / 3.010
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 130 light
•
•
Maximum technically permissible laden mass (kg)*
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 150 light
•
•
Maximum user payload (kg)*
Engine type 3,0 l Multijet 180 light
•
•
Tyre size 3,5 t
2.000
2.000
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 130 Heavy
-
•
Rim size 3,5 t
6 x 15
6 x 15
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 150 Heavy
-
•
Permissible number of persons
4
6
Engine type 3,0 l Multijet 180 Heavy
-
•
3.500
3.500
900 / 850
790 / 740
FIAT 2,3 l / 3,0 l Multijet Heavy Technical Specifications Length (cm)
599
743
Width (cm) (external/internal)
230/216
230/216
Height (cm) (external/internal)
315
315
200-238
200-238
Interior height (from/to max.) (cm)
Mass of the unladen vehicle (kg)*
-
2750 / 2800
Mass in running order (kg)*
-
3.000 / 3.050
Maximum technically permissible laden mass (kg)*
-
4.000
Maximum user payload (kg)*
-
1250 / 1200
2.000
1.850
Towing capacity (kg) Wheelbase (cm)
Sleeping berths Bed dimensions, front (cm)
403
up to 5
up to 6
Tyre size 3,5 t
-
225/75 R16C
210 x 160
210 x 160
Rim size 3,5 t
-
6J x 16
Bed dimensions, centre left side (cm)
-
207 x 110
Permissible number of persons
-
6
Bed dimensions, centre right side (cm)
-
Bed dimensions, rear (cm)
4
345
* X – •
For explanations please refer to page 10 Standard equipment Not provided optonal
210 x 130
210 x 140
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TI Technical Specifications
TI
600 MG
650 MEG
650 MGH
700 MG
700 MX
X
X
X
X
x
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 130 light
•
•
•
•
•
Engine type 2,3 l Multijet 150 light
•
•
•
•
•
Engine type 3,0 l Multijet 180 light
•
•
•
•
•
FIAT-BASIC ENGINE TYPE FIAT 2,0 l Multijet 115 Light ADDITIONAL ENGINE TYPES
Technical Specifications Length (cm)
599
698
698
743
743
Width (cm) (external/internal)
230/216
230/216
230/216
230/216
230/216
Height (cm) (external/internal)
275/200
275/200
275/200
275/200
275/200
FIAT 2,0 l und 2,3 l / 3,0 l Multijet Light Mass of the unladen vehicle (kg)*
2.410 / 2.460
2.540 / 2.590
2.540 / 2.590
2.570 / 2.620
2.620 / 2.670
Mass in running order (kg)*
2.670 / 2.720
2.800 / 2.850
2.800 / 2.850
2.830 / 2.880
2.880 / 2.930
Maximum technically permissible laden mass (kg)*
3.500
3.500
3.500
3.500
3.500
1.090 / 1.040
960 / 910
960 / 910
930 / 880
880 / 830
2.000
2.000
2.000
2.000
2.000
345
380
380
403
403
Tyre size 3,5 t
215 / 70 R 15 CP
215 / 70 R 15 CP
215 / 70 R 15 CP
215 / 70 R 15 CP
215 / 70 R 15 CP
Rim size 3,5 t
6J x 15
6J x 15
6J x 15
6J x 15
6J x 15
4
4
4
4
4
up to 3
2
bis zu 6*
bis zu 4
bis zu 3
-
210 x 116 1)
-
-
-
200 x 123
207 x 110
210 x 58
Maximum user payload (kg)* Towing capacity (kg) Wheelbase (cm)
Permissible number of persons Sleeping berths lifting bed Bed dimensions, front (cm) Bed dimensions, centre (cm) Bed dimensions, rear (cm) * X – •
For explanations please refer to page 10 Standard equipment Not provided optonal
207/57-110 -
-
-
-
-
210 x 130
2 x 198 x 86
210 x 136/126
210 x 140
194 x 140
1) lifting bed 210 x 116 cm available as an option
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X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X
X X X -/X X/X X X X X X X X X X X X X X
POWER SUPPLY High-performance, spill-proof living room battery 80/95 Ah Automatic connection/disconnection of starter and body battery Automatic electr. charger for body / vehicle battery CEE outside socket outlet for 230 V with circuit breaker Fault-current circuit breaker Board-Control-Panel with indicators for all important functions Awning lamp Mainly LED lighting in the living room 230V socket outlets
BODY Wall thickness 31 mm Floor thickness 40 mm Roof and side walls in sandwich design Skin in plain sheet metal, white Rear lamp assembly with clear-glass lamps Hinged insulating windows with darkening blind and flyscreen Rooflights with flyscreen and darkening blind High alcove shape with side window on the right Safety net at alcove (alcove) and bunk beds Non-split entrance door Rear garage, depending on layout Safety package 5 and 6 persons, depending on layout 5 years tightness warranty
23 32 X X -
31 40 X X X X X X X X X X X
31 40 X X X X X X X X
KITCHEN Large sink made of stainless steel / 2-burner cooker with glass cover Large sink made of stainless steel / 3-burner cooker with glass cover Central arrangement of gas control components Refrigerator with freezer compartment Cutlery drawer on roller guides 230 V socket outlet Hot-water system with single-lever mixer
LIVING ROOM furniture decor alternatively: Commano pear tree or golden apple Upholstery selection: LUCK, BLISS Foam mattresses with wooden slatted frame for fixed beds Foam mattresses with wooden slatted frame for bunk beds Foam mattresses with foam knit fabric for alcove beds Extendable table, depending on layout Conversion possibility into a bed Ventilated stowage cabinets and chests Profile strips in real wood
X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X
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GAS / WATER Gas bottle locker for 2 x 11 kg Trumatic C gas heating system with integrated 12 l boiler incl. recirculated air system in living room Hot-water system with single-lever mixer Water pipes laid in insulated area Immersion water pump Water tank incl. boiler Waste water tank
BATHROOM Bathroom in wood or plastic decor Dometic ceramic cassette toilet with electric pump and swivelling seat Shower with shower curtain or integral shower door, depending on layout Wall / ceiling holder for the shower head Mirror cabinet Roof vent with flyscreen Recessed halogen lighting
TI
AL
X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X
TI
CARABUS
CHASSIS / DRIVER'S CAB Fiat Ducato standard-track 100PS Driver airbag ABS ASR Wide-track chassis (standard for TI 600 MG) EBD Rear / front axle stabiliser Disk brakes Rev counter Power steering Height-adjustable headlights Immobiliser system 3-point safety belt system Coated chassis components Central locking for driver's cab, with remote control Electric windows, front Breakdown kit Swivel driver and passenger seat (depending on layout ) Camping tyres
AL
Packages motorhomes CARABUS
Standard equipment motorhomes
212050 Fiat package
X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
X
X
X
X X X X X X X X X X X X 80l 122l 122l 60l 105l 105l
TCS and ESP inkl. Hill Holder Exterior mirror electrically adjustable and heatable Passenger airbag Manual air-conditioning in the driver's cab Tempomat - cruise control
243100 Weinsberg Smart package (for AL) Waste water tank insulated and heated Additional alcove window Midi Heki Flyscreen door Radio preparation
243150 Weinsberg Smart package X
-
-
X X X X X 75l 105l 105l X X X X X X X X X
(for TI) Waste water tank insulated and heated Midi Heki Flyscreen door Radio preparation Protective seat covers
214130 Smart package (for CaraBus) X
X
X
X
X
X
X X X -
X X X X X
X X X X X
Manual air-conditioning in the driver's cab TCS and ESP inkl. Hill Holder Passenger airbag Radio preparation and speakers Protective covers for driver's cab seats Insulation mat in driver's cab Floor mat set in the driver's cab Secumotion gas regulator
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200501 201785 201041 200188 200488 201811 200975 200176 200394 200567 201111
BASIC VEHICLE Chassis Passenger airbag TCS and ESP incl. Hill Holder fixed trailer coupling trailer coupling removeable Exterior mirror electrically adjustable and heatable automatic transmission - only on 2,3 Multjet 150 starting from 2012 3,0 Multijet 180 (only available in combination with FIAT package) driver´s and passenger´s seat with armrests Manual air-conditioning in the driver's cab Rear corner steadies (not available in combination Tempomat - cruise control Additional air suspension with compressor (Load increase from 3.5 t to 3.85 t possible)
[EUR]
Item no.
TI
weight
• = Option - Not provided x Standard equipment
AL
weight
TI
Listenpreis 2010 (inkl. 19% MwSt)
CARABUS
Item no.
AL
• = Option – = not provided X = standard equipment
CARABUS
Optional equipment motorhomes
[EUR]
Gas / heating Alcove heating Secumotion gas regulator Insulation mat in driver’s cab Floor mat set in the driver’s cab heating Truma C 6002 instead of C 4002 heating Truma C 6002 EH instead of C 4002
• • • -
• • •
• •
1,5 1 2 1 -
• • • -
• • • •
• • • •
2 18 18 4
550491 301718 550592 201074 351166 351167
• •
• • • • •
• • • • •
22 1 28 2 2
400369 401257 551262 401217
kitchen area gas oven (depending on vehicle layout) fume hood (air circulation) Kitchen canopy with integrated spots 189 l refrigerator with freezer compartment (depending on layout)
-
• • • •
• • • •
10 2 1 20
-
•
• 450740 101666 451714
sanitary area Waste water tank insulated and heated Hinged window in toilet room incl. Cassette Combi-blind Deluxe shower room with plastic coating and shower door (depending on layout)
• -
• •
• •
4 -
250201 251248 250233 250599
Electric equipment on-board liquid battery additionally on-board liquid battery additionally Radio preparation Radio cabling (cabling + 2 speakers) in the living room
• •
• • -
• • -
20 20 1 5
100597 500892 500893 501333 500161 500162 500163 501730 501093
Other bike rack mounted at the rear, for 2 bikes awning 305cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 355cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 405cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 305cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 355cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 405cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 455cm x 250cm (depending on vehicle layout) awning 370 cm
• •
• • • • -
• • • -
4 23 27 36,5 23 27 36,5 40 28
100496 101721 100469 101080 100526 101725 101726 100602 100915
BODY Windows, doors, ventilation Additional alcove window Hinged window in the hood roof railing and tail ladder electrical entrance step Garage door, left Rear lowering for motorhome garages - only on TI 600, 650 + AL 600, 650 Rear lowering for motorhome garages - only on TI 700 MG + AL 700 DG Flyscreen door Midi Heki
• •
• • • • • • •
• • • • • • •
2,5 20 13,5 6 9,5 3 2
200601
OTHER metallic paint in Fer Grey (691)
•
-
-
-
550625 550235 550661 550825 551746 200240 551679 551252
INTERIOR Living / sleeping alcove bed fold-away Carpeting in the living room Deco package: Tablecloth, deco cushion, pillow, utensil bag(depending on model) Electric floor heating, depending on model lifting bed - only available on TI 650 MGH Protective coveis for driver’s Cab seats • bedspread for fixed bed • curtain between driver’s cabin and living room •
8 • • • • • -
• • • • • • • -
562 4 2 7 45 1 1 1
Listenpreis 2010 (inkl. 19% MwSt)
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CaraOne Technical Specifications
400 LK
420 QD
440 FD
480 EU
480 QDK
500 XD
740 UDF
Total length
591
635
635
707
707
723
937
Interior length (cm)
400
444
444
516
516
532
746
Total width / Interior width (cm)
232 / 216
220 / 204
232 / 216
232 / 216
232 / 216
232 / 216
250 / 234
Total height / Interior height (cm)
CaraOne Technical Specifications
257 / 196
257 / 196
257 / 196
257 / 196
257 / 196
257 / 196
257 / 196
awning dimensions (cm)
878
922
922
994
994
1.010
1.224
Mass of the unladen vehicle (kg)*
850
900
930
1.000
1.060
1.060
1.450
Mass in running order (kg)*
890
940
970
1.040
1.100
1.100
1.490
1.000
1.100
1.100
1.350
1.350
1.350
1.900
150
200
170
350
290
290
450
Tyre size
185/65R14
195/70R14
195/70R14
195/70R14
195/70R14
195/70R14
185/65R14
Rim size
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
5 1/2 J x 14
Maximum technically permissible laden mass (kg)* Maximum user payload (kg)*
Sleeping berths Bed dimensions, front (cm) Bed dimensions, centre (cm) Bed dimensions, rear (cm)
8
4
up to 4
up to 4 ¹)
up to 4
up to 6 ¹)
up to 4 ¹)
up to 8 ¹)
196 x 140
196 x 146
197 × 137
2 x 198 x 86
208 x 137
192 × 148
220 x 154/146
–
198 x 124/94
–
-
180 x 97
194 × 94/194 × 124 ¹)
194 x 97 / 2 x 187 x 72
2 × 216 ×77
-
195 × 145/94 / 195 × 145/124 ¹)
202 x 141/137
2 x 190 x 74
–
198 x 156
hinged windows all around (model Polyplastic)**
4/5 ²)
4/5 ²)
4/5 ²)
6/7 ²)
6/7 ²)
4/5 ²)
9
Skylights with insect protection
2/1 ²)
3/2 ²)
2/1 ²)
3/2 ²)
3/2 ²)
2/1 ²)
2
mushroom-shaped fans / Skylight in bathroom
-/1 ²)
-/1 ²)
1/2 ²)
-/1 ²)
-/1 ²)
1/2 ²)
-
* = For explanations please refer to page 2 **) interior: fly screen and black out blind, optional (on kitchen serial equipment; model Seitz)
¹) Bed extension for sitting area available as an option ²) hinged window in toilet room available as an option
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CHASSIS BPW chassis with semi-trailing link axle 2 hydraulic shock absorbers Automatic reverse Servo-assisted hand brake Winding corner steadies for stable standing BODY Aluminium hammer finish, front and rear in plain sheet metal One-key locking system Hinged double windows (one each with combination blind in the kitchen area) Entrance door: Width 57 cm, lateral, horizontally split Foil artwork in grey/orange Gas bottle locker with outside flap; sandwich design (2 x 11 kg bottles) LED lights Wall thickness: 31 mm, roof thickness: 31 mm, floor thickness: 38 mm 12 V awning lamp Third brake light LIVING ROOM furniture decor alternatively: Commano pear tree or golden apple Durable PVC floor Upholstery selection: Fun, Joy Curtain as room divider POWER SUPPLY Electric connector to the towing vehicle, 13-pole Jäger Interior lighting completely in 12 V 230 V outside socket outlet fi breaker 240 VA transformer various socket outlets inside TV installation, prepared (coaxial cable laying) GAS / WATER Gas heating: Truma heating SL 3002 up to body length 500 (Truma SL 5002 with 740 UDF) with Piezo ignition (Truma SL 5002 on 740 UDF) with piezo ignition Gas regulator with safety valve 15 l fresh water tank, built-in Water supply system with 12 V immersion pump Central waste water conduit, one outside drain under the floor KITCHEN 3-burner cooker and sink made of stainless steel, with glass cover 70 l Dometic refrigerator, gas, 230 V BATHROOM Dometic ceramic cassette toilet Corner washbasin with mirror Wooden cabinet with trays shower equipment available as an option
Packages caravans
Optional equipment caravans
Item no.
150108 150109 151168 150065 151306 151158 100570 150122 150027 150065
100750 100938
551719 100851 551716 550279 101717 100612 550086 250376
450092 450098 450153 450083 551054 401307 101666 450520
• = Option - Not provided x Standard equipment
VEHICLE Chassis Alloy wheels for single-axle models up to 1300kg Alloy wheels for single-axle-models as from 1400kg BPW anti-skid system: Intelligent Drive Control - iDC BPW „Stabilform“ heavy load supports, long BPW „Stabilform“ heavy load supports, long, incl. XL-Foot Set of BPW XL-Foot feet for steadies drawbar covering spare wheel incl. car jack Spare wheel holder in the gas bottle locker Heavy-duty corner steadies BODY windows, doors, vents Midi-Heki insect protection blind to be drawn laterally up to full length of the door
weight
WEINSBERG CaraOne standard equipment
[EUR]
151010 Smart package
21 4 6,5
20 kg
Stabiliser coupling Combination blinds for windows (standard for kitchen window) 12 V air circulation system 45 l fresh water tank, built-in
4 6,4 6,9 0,5
151015 Advanced package
30 kg
25 l waste water tank, with wheels Midi-Heki 70 x 50 cm Flyscreen blind, full length of the door Truma-Therme 5 l (= hot water in kitchen and bathroom) Shower extension (shower, shower curtain + rail)
2 4
INTERIOR Living room Bed extension - not possible for 400 LK, 420 QD, 480 EU Combi cassette blind Deco package: 1 tablecloth, 2 deco cushions, 3 fabric bag( not possible for 400LK) Electric floor heating Garage door beside the bunk bed - only possible for 400 LK Service hatch 70 x 100 cm - not possible for 500 XD Truma Ultraheat - only in combination with 12 V air circulation system
1 1 2
Power supply 12 V mobile system comprising: Gel battery, automatic charger,and master switch
28,6
Gas, heating, water waste water tank, mobile 25 litre, in gas socket ALDE hot water heating – only on 740 UDF fresh water tank permanent mount, 45 ltr., hot water supply Truma Recirculation air system (12V)
Listenpreis 2010 (inkl. 19% MwSt)
1
151020 Light package LED spots instead of standard lighting Wall lamps (LED) at the children's bed
Weight variants * item no.
category
150111
weight increase category 1* CaraOne 420, 440 1.100 on 1.200/1.350 kg CaraOne 740 1.900 on 2.000 kg
150112
weight increase category 2* CaraOne 400 1.000 on 1.100/1.200/1.350 kg CaraOne 480, 500 1.350 on 1.400/1.500 kg CaraOne 500 1.350 on 1.600/1.700 kg
3,3 5 5 4
sanitary area refrigerator 189 l. instead of 110 l. - only available on 480 QDK, 740 UDF 20 hinged window in toilet room 1 Shower extension for standard bathroom (shower rail, shower curtain and rail)(only possible in combination with Smart + Advanced package) 2
weight increase
* Orders for weight increases must be submitted at least three months before production start.
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KNAUS TABBERT GMBH / Helmut-Knaus-Straße 1 / D-94118 Jandelsbrunn We reserve the right to make technicel modifications to design, colour and equipment. Some pictures show optional extras, which are available at extra cost and specific to country. www.weinsberg.com
Important Information ALL CARAVANS AND MOTORHOMES BY WEINSBERG ARE DELIVERED WITH A EUROPEWIDE 5 YEAR LEAK TIGHTNESS GUARANTEE AND A 24 MONTHS WARRANTY. PLEASE NOTE FOR ALL WEINSBERG CARAVANS AND MOTORHOMES: Dimensions and weight data may vary ca.+/–5% due to tolerances of the natural raw materials used. With any modifications done on the vehicle by a non-authorized dealer or garage you may put at risk your personal security and lose WEINSBERG operating licence and warranty. Please have any repairs, retrofittings or upgrades executed by an authorized WEINSBERG dealer only, and ask for original WEINSBERG parts.
WEINSBERG caravans come with generous permissible vehicle payload options. By means of innovative solutions such as using high performance steel chassis’ and honeycomb technology on furniture, low vehicle net weights are being realized. Law requires that the weight data of a caravan be expressed as “mass in ready-to-start mode” as well as the “permissible total mass” (DIN EN 1645-2)
Retrofittings, if technically possible, will cause additional mounting and material costs. In exceptional cases some combinations of extras and options may occur as mutually exclusive. We reserve the right to any technical modifications as to design, colour, and equipment, if technical improvement requires us to do so. The contents of this list reflect arrangements at printing, in June 2011. It is effective as from 01.06.2011 for the 2012 model year. Previous lists are no longer valid. We reserve the right to change content at our discretion. The water supply system is minimum state of the art (03/2009) (Regulation 2002/72/EC).
*) Annotation concerning weight data of your WEINSBERG caravans / your WEINSBERG motorhome: Mass in ready-to-start mode on a WEINSBERG caravan is defined as follows: Mass of the empty vehicle + liquid gas bottles (filled to 100%) + fresh water tank (filled to 100%) = Mass in ready-to-start mode Example: Mass of the empty vehicle 1090 kg permissible total mass 1400 kg maximum permissible payload (luggage, payload, gas, water, petrol etc.) 310 kg The “permissible total mass ” defines the maximum permissible mass of the vehicle (vehicle incl. Optional equipment / extras / packages, and gas, water, luggage, load, etc.) for driving.
For you as a caravan user the important value of the maximum user payload (for luggage, load, gas, water, etc.) is calculated from the difference between “permissible total mass” and “mass of the unladen vehicle”: Fitting optional parts will increase your caravan’s net weight, and reduce possible additional payload. Please contact your WEINSBERG dealer for a possible increase of your caravan’s GVW. maximum permissible payload (luggage, payload, gas, water, petrol etc.) 310 kg The “permissible total mass ” defines the maximum permissible mass of the vehicle (vehicle incl. Optional equipment / extras / packages, and gas, water, luggage, load, etc.) for driving.
Mass in ready-to-start mode on a WEINSBERG motorhome is defined as follows: Mass of the empty vehicle (including on-board tool kit) + Diesel tank filled to 90% + 75 kg for driver + liquid gas bottles filled to 90% + fresh water tank filled to 90% + fresh water boiler filled to 90% = Mass in ready-to-start mode Example: Mass of the empty vehicle (including on-board tool kit) 2850 kg permissible total mass 3500 kg maximum permissible payload (passengers, luggage, payload, gas, water, petrol etc.) 650 kg
The mass of the empty vehicle is defined through weighing the vehicle with standard equipment (excluding extras, options or package equipments). Fitting optional parts will increase your caravan’s net weight, and reduce possible additional payload. As a user of a motorhome you are required not to exceed the values of the permissible total mass in driving mode, and the respective maximum permissible axle load limits.
Ordering options to replace specific package elements will not result in a delivery of these replaced elements, too.