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Christopher Morley
[email protected] Re: Till styrelsen 5 september 2015 21:01 HMU
[email protected] Brf.Kungsklippan
[email protected], Jenny D.M.
[email protected]
Hej Janne - thanks for your response below Believe me, I do share in your frustrations. I must apologise in that I did not realise that the correspondences below were of an informal nature while I can understand most written Swedish, my grasp of the subtleties is quite weak, so unfortunately I missed this. I hope we can continue work together to find a solution that we can all agree on. I'm sure you can understand our need to have solid solutions in place so that we and future owners of the apartment are not put in the same position that we are in now. For the record, a couple of additional points regarding the smoking. 1) I'm not sure there needs to be a fresh decision on the smoking ban on the roof as one already exists - due to the points detailed in my previous mail (the existing sign + our face to face meeting with Jan). 2) There is a large "rökning förbud" sign on the entrance to the roof that people still ignore, so any softening of this will in theory make the problem worse. Given that they are ignoring this sign and littering the ground with cigarette butts etc, I would suggest these people are selfish by nature. So, if given the option, they would not care about any inconvenience to us and continue to please themselves, At least now I have the right to lean out of the window and tell them they are not allowed to blow smoke into our bedroom's and living room. 3) I think a key point/principal in all of this is that the smoker's do have a number of choices of where to go - they can go to the street, stay in their own apartment, etc where it doesn't pollute other private environments, but we do not have this luxury - we are stuck with smelling their smoke. 4) I was outside cleaning up the terrace this evening - I didn't go all the way to the other side as people were sitting eating their dinner and I didn't wish to disturb them by sweeping under the window - but attached is a picture of the cigarette butts I collected from the immediate vicinity of our windows which illustrates the scale of smoking we have outside of our apartment Thanks once again for your continued patience and engagement on this matter and we look forward to hearing from you following the board meeting on the 22nd Enjoy the rest of your weekend
Best regards / Med vänliga hälsningar, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Christopher Morley Country Manager, Construction & Engineering and Renewable Energy Tel +46 (0) 752 432 297 Mobil +46 (0)701 682 584
[email protected] Trygg-Hansa Fleminggatan 18, SE-106 26 Stockholm www.trygghansa.se
From: HMU
To: Christopher Morley/xcmn/Codan/DK@Codan, Cc: "Brf.Kungsklippan" Date: 2015-09-04 15:31 Subject: Re: Till styrelsen
Hej Chris Det börjar kännas långdraget och rörigt det här. Du vänder dig ibland till mig för en informell diskussion och ibland till styrelsen genom mig för att få formella svar. Jag kan naturligtvis inte svara å styrelsens vägnar utan att först ha ett möte med denna. Eftersom du nu har anlagt en så pass formell ton i vissa av dina frågor så föreslår jag att du istället ställer dessa direkt till styrelsen. Vårt nästa möte är den 22 september. Vad det gäller ”rökning förbjuden” eller ”rökning undanbedes” håller jag på att utreda om detta kan bestämmas av styrelsen eller om det är en fråga för medlemmarna på en medlemsstämma. Om det är ett beslut som styrelsen kan ta så håller jag med dig och Jenny. Beträffande den skylt som redan sitter uppe så känner jag för närvarande inte till hur den kommit dit eller hur detta har beslutats. Med vänlig hälsning, Janne Härstedt/ordförande 3 sep 2015 kl. 10:57 skrev Christopher Morley : Dear Janne - thankyou for your quick reply To take each point in turn: 1) The Sign/smoking on the roof: There seems to be some crossed wires here as the roof has always been no smoking, so to make smoking allowed represents a significant step back for us. This is the case because a) Ever since we have lived here, there has been a no smoking sign up that people have been ignoring (see attached photo) b) When I came to meet you and Jan face to face in April this year, it was made clear that smoking was under no circumstances allowed. c) It is clear from the email correspondence (see attached) between you and Jenny that there is not an issue with having no smoking on the roof - the only point in our suggested sign that you mention is the word "absolut" due due definition problems. This points strongly to the fact that we are on the same page regarding no smoking on the roof. When people smoke on the roof we smell smoke in our apartment which cannot be acceptable. I'm sure that you can agree that, besides being unpleasant, the effects of passive smoking are well documented and it makes me extremely uncomfortable when I come into my children's room at night and it smells of cigarette smoke. I look out of the window the next morning and there are new cigarette butts on the ground, so it is clear where the smell of smoke is coming from. The position is exacerbated in summer when we need to have the windows open due to the temperature. Would it be possible for you to use the initially suggested wording on the signs (with minor modifications to be agreed as promised)? 2) Mess on the roof: Thankyou for taking this forward with EM and I will start clearing up this week 3) Selling a part of the roof terrace: please may you be so kind as to get a final answer/certainty on this so we know where we stand? 4) Payment for plants: Is it possible for the board to take a decision on this? 5) The board fulfilling it's duties to prevent us being disturbed: I'm not sure that you have answered my statement here: "does the board consider that the solutions suggested adequetly fulfills their responsibility
that the solutions suggested adequetly fulfills their responsibility to prevent us from being disturbed" Sorry to push you on the answers for these, but we really need to have absolute clarity on the key points for our own peace of mind but also so any future owners can know all the facts when they buy. I look forward to your response and thanks once again for you help in this matter. (See attached file: Fw Drawing Sugestion.pdf) Best regards / Med vänliga hälsningar, Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Christopher Morley Country Manager, Construction & Engineering and Renewable Energy Tel +46 (0) 752 432 297 Mobil +46 (0)701 682 584 [email protected] Trygg-Hansa Fleminggatan 18, SE-106 26 Stockholm www.trygghansa.se
From: HMU To: Christopher Morley/xcmn/Codan/DK@Codan, Date: 2015-09-02 23:06 Subject: Re: Till styrelsen
Hej Chris Det kommer upp en ny skylt om en vecka senast. Det blir inte "rökning förbjuden” utan en vädjan om att undvika rökning. Ida i styrelsen tar fram ett förslag som jag ska godkänna. Jag ska ta upp ogräset med Einar Mattson. Du får väldigt gärna städa själv. Om terassytor/tak sålts av tidigare styrelse utan att det föregåtts av ett stämmobeslut (vilket jag inte är säker på) så är det min uppfattning att det gjorts på ett regelvidrigt sätt och att det inte kan göras igen. Styrelsen har inte fattat något beslut om att betala för växterna utan erbjuder er istället att själva införskaffa sådana, med viss risk för att ett framtida styrelsebeslut från en annan styrelse kan göra att ni får avlägsna växterna igen. Ja, detta är ett sätt för styrelsen att hantera era upplevda problem med störningar från medlemmar som vistas på terassen. Med vänlig hälsning, Janne Härstedt
30 aug 2015 kl. 20:23 skrev Christopher Morley :
Dear Janne
Following on from our conversation last Tuesday I have the following points: 1) The signs that we agreed are still not up (no smoking/please be considerate to our children etc) - do you know when these will be in place? In terms of where the should be put up, it is important that they are on the last door before you access the roof on both sides so they can't be missed. In addition, I think it would help to have a further "no smoking" sign on the black railings at the front of the roof as this is where people congregate to smoke. I hope it is possible to arrange these ASAP. If you would like me to produce and laminate the agreed wording and stick them up, I would be more than happy to do so to speed up the process, just let me know in this respect 2) The roof is currently quite overgrown - is it possible for someone to come and clear away the weeds growing between the cracks? A company came to do it 2 summers ago but nothing since. There is a lot of litter on the roof (cigarettes, cigarette packets, Beer cans, drink cups etc) and I'm happy to clear that if it's OK with you. 3) To document our conversation regarding the roofs that have already been sold and to ensure a common understanding, these were sold by mistake by a previous board and as such do not represent a binding precedent that this board has to follow. Thus we are not able to follow that precedent to purchase an area of the roof directly outside our window - please correct me if I have misunderstood this 4) With respect to positioning of the plants outside our window to provide protection against intrusion/invasion of privacy - the board will not pay for these nor can they provide any guarantees that future boards will grant positioning of such plants. Furthermore this is considered by the board as adequately discharging their duties to protect us from disturbance/threat of disturbance - please correct me if I have misunderstood this Thanks once again for your continued efforts and support with this matter. Best regards / Med vänliga hälsningar, Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Christopher Morley Country Manager, Construction & Engineering and Renewable Energy Tel +46 (0) 752 432 297 Mobil +46 (0)701 682 584 [email protected] Trygg-Hansa Fleminggatan 18, SE-106 26 Stockholm www.trygghansa.se ----- Forwarded by Christopher Morley/xcmn/Codan/DK on 2015-08-30 20:05 -----
----From: Jenny D.M. To: Christopher Morley/xcmn/Codan/DK@Codan, Date: 2015-08-24 16:40 Subject: FW: Till styrelsen
Subject: Till styrelsen From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:37:39 +0100 To: [email protected] Hej Jan, Vi har inte hört av er sedan vårt senaste mail, men det kan ju bero på semestertider. Vi vill bara säga att även vi är på semester, men en vän passar vår lägenhet. Hon sa att det har stått ett par ute på terassen och att det luktar cigarettrök nästan hela tiden. Om lappen är uppe så verkar den inte räcka. Kan även behövas en ute på terassen då vissa använder sina fönster för att ta sig ut. Har nu varit hos en bostadsrättsjurist eftersom vi inte är så insatta i den balken. De sa att det är styrelsens ansvar att se till att vi inte blir störda och eftersom det varit störningar och att någon kan komma och banka på rutan igen så bör åtgärder tas. Om det diskuteras fram ett insynsskydd så ska styrelsen stå för det. När det gäller att vi köper loss ytan utanför som vissa har gjort så ska samma gälla för oss om inte ett stämmobeslut tagits att sådan försäljning ej ska ske efter senaste godkännandet. Sist men inte minst så tog vi upp det att vi köpt lägenheten som om att det inte var en uteplats för alla utan endast om man köpte biten utanför sitt fönster. Och att tidigare ägare menat att det inte är en uteplats och innan dess var det kontor/lokaler. Juristen sa då att föreningen inte bara kan ändra syftet med en yta utan att tillfråga de boende runt omkring. Och att efter tidigare rättsfall så har det varit så att om boendes privatliv inkräktas på så har antingen föreningen nekats att ändra eller om skadan redan skett så har de fått betala den estimerade värdeminskningen på lägenheten. Vi hoppas på en smidig lösning och är tacksamma för samtalen som nu är igång och har gått till jurist för rådgivning för att skynda på en seg process där vi tror att båda parter varit utan juridisk kompetens i bostadsrättsbalken. Vi har stått för kostnaden själva. Mvh Jenny och Chris Skickat från min iPhone Denne mail og vedhæftede filer kan være fortrolig. Har du modtaget mailen
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Må väl! Janne Härstedt/HMU [IMAGE] HMU tel: 070-720 54 45 [email protected] www.hmu.se [attachment "image003.png" deleted by Christopher Morley/xcmn/Codan/DK] Denne mail og vedhæftede filer kan være fortrolig. Har du modtaget mailen ved en fejl, beder vi dig kontakte os omgående, og slette mailen uden at dele dens indhold med andre. Tak. This e-mail and attached documents may be confidential. If you received this by mistake, please notify us immediately and delete this message without disclosing its content to others. Thank you. Med vänlig hälsning, Janne Härstedt ordförande i BRF Kungsklippan Denne mail og vedhæftede filer kan være fortrolig. Har du modtaget mailen ved en fejl, beder vi dig kontakte os omgående, og slette mailen uden at dele dens indhold med andre. Tak. This e-mail and attached documents may be confidential. If you received this by mistake, please notify us immediately and delete this message without disclosing its content to others. Thank you.
